7th Gen Honda Accord Catalyst Monitor Issues

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7th Gen Honda Accord Catalyst Monitor Issues

SoCalSmogGuy
Over the past 12 months I have experienced 5 different customers with 7th gen accords who cannot get their catalyst monitor to set. It can't be a coincidence. We are test-only, I tried calling the local dealership but they want to charge the customers and hourly rate to drive the vehicle and set the monitor. One poor lady had to drive her car 1000+ miles for it to set. What is BAR doing for these customers? It is unfair for me to tell the customer "go ask the dealer" and then have the dealership tell my customer that they are going to drive the car just as the customer was driving it. All of these vehicles are very well maintained.

Has anybody else experienced this? Any tips/tricks to set that catalyst monitor?

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Lots of Honda catalyst problems here. The owners manual has a drive cycle that works.

BAR is doing nothing, they are useless for actually helping the customers, they want us to do it.
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 My two boys have really gotten heavy into looking up drive cycles.
One common thing we have found out. DO NOT BE IN A HURRY. Nice and easy. You don't care who is giving you the bird. Horn honks, Screw them.
I send them up the coast. Go to Santa Barbra. Take the side roads. Take the wife to breakfast Saturday morning. ENJOY THE RIDE. Do the old Sunday afternoon drive.
Better than 90% clear after that drive.

 The big thing is Just relax. You are not in a hurry. No cruise control Freeway and streets. Start it cold and just drive it EASY.
 Sorry to you that I have not offended. Give me time. I will get to you.
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SoCalSmogGuy
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D wrote
Lots of Honda catalyst problems here. The owners manual has a drive cycle that works.

BAR is doing nothing, they are useless for actually helping the customers, they want us to do it.
Thanks for the info. I am having the customer attempt it now and will update with results.

Before seeing your response I advised my customer to call the Ref. The rep at the referee hotline told us the customer needs to go to the dealer first. I explained to the rep that the local dealership is not helping with the issue. He tells me they have a letter for mechanics and dealers on how to set the monitor. I got excited, told him to e-mail me a copy as well, only to receive it and read something completely generic and model unspecific. They are essentially leaving it up to dealerships to charge whatever they want and do whatever they want to consumers.
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SoCalSmogGuy
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Lots of Honda catalyst problems here. The owners manual has a drive cycle that works.

BAR is doing nothing, they are useless for actually helping the customers, they want us to do it.
Any idea of where it is located in the manual or index? There is no "drive cycle" in the index.
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SoCalSmogGuy wrote
Over the past 12 months I have experienced 5 different customers with 7th gen accords who cannot get their catalyst monitor to set.
I'm in DTWN Los Angeles, I charge $95 to run a catalyst monitor, and $142.50 to run monitors from scratch.  

If your customer is near DTWN, private message me, and we can set something up for next week.   If there is nothing wrong with the vehicle, I'm sure I can run the cat monitor within 15 minutes.   I just need to hook up first to assess the probability of success.    
Why make it simple, when it will work equally as well complicated.
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My coworker found it in his 2008 Civic manual, Ill see if I can borrow it.
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SoCalSmogGuy wrote
Over the past 12 months I have experienced 5 different customers with 7th gen accords who cannot get their catalyst monitor to set.
I'm in DTWN Los Angeles, I charge $95 to run a catalyst monitor, and $142.50 to run monitors from scratch.  

If your customer is near DTWN, private message me, and we can set something up for next week.   If there is nothing wrong with the vehicle, I'm sure I can run the cat monitor within 15 minutes.   I just need to hook up first to assess the probability of success.
 

I can't knock your hustle. You are filling a much needed void with expertise and experience. I will message you if my customer's decide to do that, I am in Ventura County so it's a bit of a drive.

On the other end of the spectrum, if BAR expects readiness monitors to be completed, all drive cycles and TSB's should be openly and readily available to the public. There needs to be a central source for this information.
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SoCalSmogGuy wrote
I can't knock your hustle. You are filling a much needed void with expertise and experience. I will message you if my customer's decide to do that, I am in Ventura County so it's a bit of a drive.
That's too far.  There has to be someone closer to you.  

The consumer probably has done a lot of freeway driving.   Have them do like 5 miles at ~60-70mph.  On the way back, find a long strip of road, that at least has couple of miles without stop signs or lights.  Don't exceed ~40-45mph, you've already done the high speed part.  

I have a similar drive cycle mapped out for customers that have non-disengagable 4 wheel drive and it's been very successful.    

This weekend should give your customer the perfect opportunity to run monitors.  Probably early in the morning they should be able to drive without a lot of stop and go.  

I always look at the condition of the O2 sensors, if there's a problem, the monitor isn't going to run.  


Why make it simple, when it will work equally as well complicated.
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 I had a guy get up at 2 in the morning to do those CRAZY drive cycles. IT WORKED
 Sorry to you that I have not offended. Give me time. I will get to you.
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Some brilliant person is going to make an app that gives you monitor instructions and the fastest route through traffic to do it.

Until we see a code that sets because readiness was not achieved despite the drive cycle actually being performed correctly don't expect much from BAR and CARB. They don't talk to the customers and see how this is really just wasting most of the customers gas and time.
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 All of this is a PERFECT Example of "They don't Know"

 What fucking IDIOT made those next to impossible to do drive cycles. What IDIOT Approved them.
This is not how a person drives.

OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REAL WORLD.
 Sorry to you that I have not offended. Give me time. I will get to you.
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There really needs to be a "Senior citizen , dead battery?" question that will override the requirement.
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Send the customer to the local field office.Either first opening, or friday at 4 15 pm  and make them talk to a supervisor.  
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 The real stupidity of all this? Union, What ever you want to call it. Join the union. Tell the consumer it cannot be set. Must be set on a Dyno. Make more money. The Union could be a source of run it this way. Run it X X X X X to make it pass.

 The Fucking Funeral business. Those assholes DON'T TALK. The money they make. Fuck it has taken me better than 5 years to learn half the crap that is just needed. They don't give out secrets.

 $900 to do a at sea thing. Pay the guy $50 a body.
 Sorry to you that I have not offended. Give me time. I will get to you.
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I've seen more Toyotas with Catalyst Monitor problem more often than Hondas.
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The local Honda dealer can't figure out how to complete the catalyst monitor on a 08 accord with 50k miles. Lots of not ready's around here as well. Most people are too cheap to take to a shop/dealer and pay to have it looked at.. Some have had success completing drive cycles by watching youtube videos.Also most people that call the referee for advice are directed to the dealership, guess he/she is too busy to help them.
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Here's a copy of the directive letter they sent me:

"Dear Manufacturer Dealer,
This vehicle has failed a Smog Check inspection because the vehicles OBD system has not set the readiness monitors. The vehicle has been driven in normal conditions and the readiness monitor(s) are still not set. The Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) has determined that nearly all similar vehicles will pass the Smog Check inspection with all of the readiness monitors set.

BAR has determined that most readiness monitors can be set using the manufacturer’s specific drive cycle for the vehicle, or in some cases, installing the latest powertrain control module flash, or repairing a defective part that is preventing the monitor from running to completion. In some instances defective components may cause the readiness monitor for that component not to run rather than setting a DTC and turning on the check engine light.

Prior to any intervention at the State Referee, the following must be completed and properly documented by the manufacturer dealer:
 All diagnosis and repairs that have been attempted.
 Drive cycles have been attempted.
 All relative TSB's and/or updates have been performed.
 Manufacturer technical support has been contacted on the readiness monitor problem.

If after all of these tasks have been completed, and you are not able to repair the vehicle, and have properly documented that the above steps have been followed on the invoice, BAR will consider issuance of a one-time smog check waiver. Once the above has been competed, please refer the consumer to contact the State of California Referee at (800) 622-7733 for additional assistance."

Thank you to everybody who replied. You gave me a lot of useful information.
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They are so out of touch with reality. Ive seen cars with 30,000 miles have catalyst monitor issues, the customer drives to LA and back and still no success. I dont see anything in the legislation saying it is illegal to have a dead battery. If we have to check tire pressures, maybe battery changers need to be legally obliged to complete monitors. This a bad system, emcourages cheating with the simplicity of resetting, and punishes the elderly and ignorant. And if it is a legal requirement then the drive cycles need to be provided to the customers free of charge. Or maybe the drivers license handbook and test needs to address this if BAR can't step up to the plate.

To paraphrase Besta, an OBD system just locks out the honest people.