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New Engine Changes guideline question

MIGI G
I know they changed a lot for Engine Changes regulations on the new smog check manual.

But my question is for vehicles that they do engine changes that are 2000 and newer will receive a bar 97 test also.?

 my second question is for non OBD2 vehicles that receive an OBD2 engine that's 2000 and newer would that receive an ois inspection also with a bar 97 test too?

It kind of threw me off when the manual said must pass all of the following smog test regardless of year model.

Or do you preform a smog test by the vehicle's engine year that's installed????

Any feedback appreciated thank you for reading
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Just go by the vehicle year, as in anything 99 and older goes on the BAR97 and don't forget to put in BAR label number when asks. From there just follow what the analyzer tells you. I've just recently had an 88 vanagon with 2003 1.8l vw engine in it. As long as it has the BAR label and everything checks out for that engine just test it like normal.
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From my experience it will go by the year of the vehicle. If you try to start a 1999 or older on the OIS it will stop you with the "no cert will be issued warning before you get to enter a BAR label.

If it is a pre-OBDII vehicle with a motor and computer from 1996 or later it will not ask for an OBDII test either.
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My 1989 Toyota MR2 might be on the receiving end of a 1998 5S-FE this summer.  Can any of you predict any potential Ref issues?  Would I be better off with a "1995" 5S-FE?  I know I'll have to stay far away from BlueSky's truck, but that's a separate issue.

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Barry, anything OBD2 will need the most recent PCM update flashed(CVN/CID).  The ref may also require some kind of invoice from the dealer showing this.  You will also have to keep the transmission from the Camry as per the new guidelines.  If you do the 95 5S, you can mate whatever transmission fits, and no need to update the PCM.  Currently installing an LS2 into an 80s car and planning the REF visit by this summer.
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 Years back a guy who worked for me put a newer engine in a older K5. All the Ref did was looked at the computer and then made him smog it to the computer.
The Ref got the Calibration number out of the computer.

 Now this was @ 20 years ago.
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I have a couple of friends who put 3.4L V6 engines in their 3.0L Toyota trucks. When they went to the referee he scanned to make sure that the self tests were complete and there were no codes. When I smog tested them later with the BAR label I never had to do an OBDII test since the chassis was 1995 and older.

MR2 was available later with a 5S-FE so I don't think that would be a big problem.  
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We have a ref around here that says a B20 is a direct replacement engine for Integras, pop this in and I will bet he says it needs no label.

https://www.ebay.com/i/292923372505?chn=ps
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Since he wants a 5S, maybe he can get away with a 3S BEAMS vvti

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Wait, I forgot we need one with a distributor to really play it off
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20v distributor relocation LOL

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D Rochells 150861 wrote
We have a ref around here that says a B20 is a direct replacement engine for Integras, pop this in and I will bet he says it needs no label.

https://www.ebay.com/i/292923372505?chn=ps
same around here due to the shortage of b18s supposedly
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Due to crack smoking, there is no way that falls under the current definition of a replacement engine. I passed a subie van the other day with no ref label, I feel dirty.
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The rule forever has been to perform the inspection to the engine. Always look for a referee label. And if you can tell that the things completely out in left field you may refer it to the referee for example my 1993 three-quarter ton Chevrolet started life with a 350 in it and now has a restrocked 454
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Kevin wrote
The rule forever has been to perform the inspection to the engine. Always look for a referee label. And if you can tell that the things completely out in left field you may refer it to the referee for example my 1993 three-quarter ton Chevrolet started life with a 350 in it and now has a restrocked 454
But that would be an "engine replacement" since a 1993 Chevrolet 3/4 ton was available with a 454. No ref needed.
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