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Privacy issues.

barrym95838
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I have received an e-mail from STSP administration that I need to pass on to all of you.

Posting station ARD and and tech license numbers that don't belong to you is against forum policy, as it is an invitation for threats to those stations and/or techs.  If you need to make a point, please use the snipping tool to conceal the subject's identity, or send me the details, and I'll snip and post them for you.  This policy is effective immediately, and policy-breakers may expect to see the offending post(s) deleted without warning.

barrym95838
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“Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
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Condemned Tech
"When a man points a finger at someone else, he should remember that four of his fingers are pointing at himself."
 BAR believes that everyone in the smog industry cheats, therefore! they came up with the solution which is STAR Program to curb smog techs' illegal activities.
Everyone of us is assumed guilty until proven innocent, stop pointing the fucking finger, Please !
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Lenny
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barrym95838
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Lenny wrote
You do realize why they did this right? The owners of this site own the station I put up earlier today. The owners of this site are pluggers Barry. They use fereira to fight bar and remain star certified even when they got caught and have low scores.
That's not my impression at all.  I feel that they are genuinely concerned for the community as a whole, and I have a carefully-groomed reputation for being correct more than 50% of the time.

barrym95838
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Johnnybeme
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So let me get this straight. The anomalies we see in the STAR metric should not be shared and talked about? Have you gone over to the dark side? Licenses are public record and cannot get anyone in trouble. When someone points out that a station has this or that rating and does or does not loose STAR rating I want to see that and it requires a license number. If I look at enforcement and want to see what a tech actually did it requires a number. This site has maybe thirty to fifty techs that the BAR cares very little about (no matter what you think) too bad this cloak and dagger stuff has to permeate. I will contribute as always but sometimes you guys skew off the subject which is the survival of the smog program and the excellence of it's execution. Give me the clean pluggers address and I will post it on yelp! I do smog as part of the automotive service experience maybe that makes me different. When people mess with my industry they mess with me.

JM
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Voltron
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I get that posting peoples stuff on here is a gray area, however not only are all those license and station ard numbers public access, your address is public as well. You can find all the numbers on the bars webpage. So what privacy do we really have
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people
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tampered
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Johnnybeme wrote
So let me get this straight. The anomalies we see in the STAR metric should not be shared and talked about?
They're not saying that at all,  they're only asking that we don't ID the station/tech.  For those of us who need to know who is doing what, there is always email.  

I think that the site owners are entitled to lay down any law that they please.  Considering the accusations right here in this thread that are allowed to remain, they got a pretty good sense of humor!

I know I wouldn't want that shit posted about me, let alone from an anonymous source.

 Let the BAR run its own wall of shame.  This fucking program is punitive enough as it is!

No disrespect JM, I have always found your posts to be fun, informative and a good read.
If you are going to be part of the drug culture, have a little drug culture.
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Lenny
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barrym95838
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Johnnybeme wrote
So let me get this straight. The anomalies we see in the STAR metric should not be shared and talked about?
I recommend that you share whatever anomalies you find, while keeping the names to yourself, in the interest of protecting the innocent, and preventing the lynch mobs from coming for the not-so-innocent.
 Have you gone over to the dark side?
Nope, still painfully white here.
 Licenses are public record and cannot get anyone in trouble. When someone points out that a station has this or that rating and does or does not loose STAR rating I want to see that and it requires a license number. If I look at enforcement and want to see what a tech actually did it requires a number.
The STSP staff doesn't want to contribute to pin-point accusations of fellow techs, and I am applying their wishes, without personally agreeing or disagreeing with that policy.
This site has maybe thirty to fifty techs that the BAR cares very little about (no matter what you think) too bad this cloak and dagger stuff has to permeate. I will contribute as always but sometimes you guys skew off the subject which is the survival of the smog program and the excellence of it's execution.
Since the pro-bono lawsuit was dropped, the theme of this forum has shifted to "Unity for the Smog Community".  That includes survival and excellence, but also includes other stuff, which can be safely ignored if you so choose.  It does not include slander, and I will be checking in later to see if this thread should go under the knife.  I'm leaving it alone, at least for the moment, but you guys are testing my patience.
 Give me the clean pluggers address and I will post it on yelp! I do smog as part of the automotive service experience maybe that makes me different. When people mess with my industry they mess with me.

JM
I respect and admire your dedication to our profession, but I will not tolerate the posting of personal information here without the permission of its owner.  Subject closed.

barrym95838
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“Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
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Johnnybeme
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Yelp customers have every right to complain for anything they want but yelp is irresponsible in allowing it. Yelp also does no checking of insurance, licensing, better business status or any consumer related referals including whether a station has had BAR problems. I would never talk talk unless it was a convicted clean plugger and then I feel the consumer has the right to know and that yelp has the responsibility to provide that information. Alas enforcement is just about money and we are all just here to support one another. I wish it would grow to be different but I am but one ugly old tech and that just don't count for much.

JM

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toddsmog
 can finger point all you wAnt you can cry all you want doesn't change the fact why this stupid ass Star program was implemented in the first place. from all the statistics reports sources that the bar has had to implement some type of program proof the STAR program was born.Bar Enforcement its a joke. that's why we have a bunch of college graduates sitting behind computer screens pLay  pacman or Galaga. to devise some sort of SCORE . As far as privacy goes there is none. your license is public! is this forum open to all  new crummers members or is it a private one?
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Johnnybeme
Yes Todd

Seems that the answer to your last question may be hidden. I thought this an open and candid forum where I could vent, toss out ideas and get technical help. I never worried about my identity cause I could give a rat's ass. Wonder what the real answer is? Does this forum have a agenda? If so can it be clearly stated?


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barrym95838
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The agenda is stated here.  I don't know of any other, but I have only been an administrator for a short time, and I have never met the other administrators face-to-face, or even voice-to-voice.

Regarding the forum, I would agree that open and candid are desirable attributes, but not to the point of invasive or abusive posts.  One man's trash is another man's treasure, so you will have to rely on my judgment to decide what is acceptable and what isn't.  That's why I was nominated and approved to moderate, and I'm doing my best with my limited time and abilities.

barrym95838
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“Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
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scanner
barrym95838 wrote
and I'm doing my best with my limited time and abilities.
and doing a darn good job, IMHO.
Why make it simple, when it will work equally as well complicated.
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Johnnybeme
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Good call

JM
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Skanga
I think it's more of a respect issue than privacy. We're all supposed to be part of this community that is supposed to bring us together, and to help each other as best we can, not point fingers and say "Hey, this guy and this shop suck at their job. Look at their scores!" Many techs and shops in the field are getting screwed by this grading system, and on paper, it's gonna look like they're a bunch of fark-ups, even though they're doing their job to the best of their ability.

I like to think those shops that are somehow cranking out 15 smog checks a day, with their doors closed, just clean-piping/plugging all day, and actually deserve their poor scores, are the minority. So if you see a shop in the dumps, don't assume they're pieces of shiat. Give them the benefit of the doubt, and show them at least a little bit of respect, 'cause with this bullshiat system, you never know if you'll end up the same someday.
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Mark
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It's not Barrys call, the site owners ask him to do something.
He is admin, that is what admins do.
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909 Smog
Just post it here.  If what you say is true, we should all be for exposing the cheats.  If the people behind the website are really what you say, they'll have Barry remove it.  
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