**UPDATED:** Whatever happened to the BAR-2012

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**UPDATED:** Whatever happened to the BAR-2012

tampered
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UPDATE: Every BAR-97 manufacture has issues of noncompliance with the current
specification.

http://www.autorepair.ca.gov/80_BARResources/04_Miscellaneous/Industry/BAR_Advisory_Group/BAG%20Meeting%20Notes%20for%208.7.12.pdf
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By BAR's own admission, the BAR-97 is unacceptable and must be replaced.
These are direct quotes from the Spring 2010 newsletter:

"This outdated technology has adversely
affected BAR’s ability to adopt improvements to the Smog
Check Program."


"...these systems lack the capabilities BAR needs to store
and process vehicle inspection information."

"The proprietary software and the variety of
software languages and operating systems used
in the BAR-97 EIS often hamper BAR’s ability to
have the Smog Check Program evolve to reflect
changes in motor vehicle technology."

"BAR cannot make pass/fail decisions
based on information collected during a test."


"Smog Check stations must rely on their
BAR-97 manufacturer for service because of the
proprietary nature of the hardware and software.
As a result, stations cannot self-service their
equipment and must often pay for costly service
contracts. It also often results in stations having
unnecessary downtime."

"The BAR-97 has several security
deficiencies. For example, BAR has difficulty
determining whether the licensed technician is
actually conducting the Smog Check inspection."

"The development of the BAR-2012 analyzer represents
a significant undertaking by the Bureau. Keeping
stakeholders apprised of this project’s progress is
critical to its success."


NYUH! I thought we were stakeholders!

What happened to make our existing machines acceptable now, three years later and three years older?  

How can STAR metrics be determined with these shortcomings?  

How much money and resource was wasted during the YEARS of pursuing the BAR-2012 project only to abandon it?  

Who the hell do you answer to? Do you really want to know? Well check THIS out, from the 2009 feasabiltiy report:

"Due to the proprietary nature of the the BAR-97 EIS, the the
BAR-97 EIS manufacturers are the only ones capable
of making these updates. Consequently, the
the BAR-97 EIS manufacturers charge the Smog Check stations a high price for upgraded hardware
and software, placing a heavy cost burden on California’s Smog Check stations and thus making the
State reluctant to require updates."


You read that last sentence right! The vendors are holding us and the smog program hostage and dictating State policy!

And now the last. Also from the 2009 FSR, four years old.

"(BAR-97) Equipment deterioration
affects test accuracy and
stability"


Put that in your FuPR and smoke it!

There's lots more in the FSR, you should read it. BAR really shows their ass in this.  Shortcomings in enforcement and roadside inspections and more examples of vendors bitch-slapping BAR and running the smog program too! HAW! All related to the "outdated and aging BAR-97" and remember, it has now been another 3-4 years!
 http://ocio.ca.gov/Government/IT_Policy/pdf/1110-109_FSR.pdf







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barrym95838
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tampered,

Nice find on that FSR!  I don't have time to read it all today, but at first glance it looks like you may be correct about them showing their own soft-spots in it.  Good ammunition for a lawyer, IMNSHO.

Take care, and keep on watching your SVFR go up, while mine goes down!   I wonder if they have some reward prepared for any of you STARs who can manage to get it above 50%!  

I went completely incident-free for the first time this month (would have been much earlier if that dual-tank Ranger EVAP hadn't bitten me), but I didn't get any reward, not even an offer for a courtesy reach-around!

Sincerely,

barrym95838
EO144107

“Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
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tampered
barrym95838 wrote
Good ammunition for a lawyer, IMNSHO.
That's what I'm talking about. I didn't see anything about this in the "lawsuit"...only a bunch of references to the test-only program being a "State conferred benefit" I don't know what he's been smoking. but I'm pretty sure that program wasn't any kind of entitlement. (I think I've been hanging around Rocky's IATN  posts too much!)

barrym95838 wrote
I went completely incident-free for the first time this month (would have been much earlier if that dual-tank Ranger EVAP hadn't bitten me),
What happened? You got dinged for testing an exempted vehicle, or not testing it? Wait! Is it because I tested it and you didn't? I'm sorry! I was testing everything when LPFet started, I didn't know anyone would get hurt!

barrym95838 wrote
I didn't get any reward, not even an offer for a courtesy reach-around!
Don't feel bad, I heard they don't trim their fingernails!


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barrym95838
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tampered wrote
(I think I've been hanging around Rocky's IATN  posts too much!)
He's been rather quiet recently.  Maybe he got bored, or maybe he got busy, or maybe he got tired of me pouncing on his same old points with my same old 'diatribe'.  We had a busy August sparring with each other.

I spaced-out and missed my appointment with that socialist lawyer at CCLP.  I'm going to call him back to apologize and re-schedule, and I plan on bringing a copy of that document that you found.

What happened? You got dinged for testing an exempted vehicle, or not testing it? Wait! Is it because I tested it and you didn't? I'm sorry! I was testing everything when LPFet started, I didn't know anyone would get hurt!
Yeah, I had the audacity to claim that a dual-tank 1987 Ranger was untestable.  I don't want to make that mistake again, and I refuse to lie and just enter 'Pass', so I'd like to ask that you describe what kinds of adapters, tees, and other approved modifications you were able to make to your LPFET to "test everything".

Don't feel bad, I heard they don't trim their fingernails!
Is that just hearsay, or do you have valid statistical proof to support that statement?

Sincerely,

barrym95838
EO144107

“Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
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It's great to see a thread with some real substance. I agree with the "good find," I only
wish it was discovered about a year ago. One thing that the BAR does, which virtually
every governmental agency does, is to pretend to be acting on information, when making
changes.

We're seeing this right now, in the Connecticut shooting incident. The regime has been
looking relentlessly for reasons to remove gun ownership for years, and PRETEND to be
responding to the grade school tragedy. If you look at the new proposals, it's practically
guaranteed that if they were in place before hand, there's no way they would have
curtailed the actual incident.

The doughnuts already had planned to introduce the current debacle when this report
was created. The report is no more than "smoke and mirrors," with respect to black hole.
A good example of this, and a demonstration of how they trip over their own feet, is one
of the following statements mentioned:

"BAR cannot make pass/fail decisions based on information collected during a test."

Black hole is TOTALLY based on information during a test, and many techs with years of
good experience cannot even get a job right now, because of this data, which was supposedly
useless back then. And now, the data is the Holy Grail. Do we have estrogen at work here?

My recommendation would be to save a copy of this report to your hard drive. Remember
how quickly the Wallauch propaganda statement of March 9th disappeared when they
realized it could be used against them in court? This report appears to be more damaging to
their "house of cards," than the March 9th nonsense. Don't assume this will always be available!

Finally, a thread that has more info than testing gas caps, or answering phones, or when you
take your lunch break.
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tampered
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barrym95838 wrote
Is that just hearsay, or do you have valid statistical proof to support that statement?
It's what a lawyer once told me as he extended that very same courtesy you mentioned earlier.

Banned wrote
Black hole is TOTALLY based on information during a test, and many techs with years of
good experience cannot even get a job right now, because of this data, which was supposedly
useless back then. And now, the data is the Holy Grail.
Very very well put. I'm glad you guys find this interesting...I thought I was the only one that got off on this shit!

barrym, please post what the socialist lawyer guy says about the document, I'd be interested in his response.


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tampered
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I updated this thread, and now I am shamelessly bumping it. Barry, if this is unacceptable behavior, feel free to put this back where it came from.  If everyone started doing this, it would really mess up the forum!
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barrym95838
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You're okay, tampered.  This thread and the one featuring Accused as the devil's advocate a couple of Novembers ago have been taking up space in the back of my head for some time, now.

I'm disappointed to say that my meetings with CCLP were not as constructive as I had hoped.  My description of the issue struck a chord with two different volunteer lawyers, but neither was able to help me take the further steps necessary to assemble a proper legal case.  I have no experience in the field of litigation, and I wasn't able to stroke their egos into taking the sizable risk of time and energy that would be necessary to potentially get their names in lights.  Johnnie Cochran is dead, or I'd shoot him an e-mail with a copy of my 11-page letter.  I think that his "Chewbacca defense" could still cause some damage, don't you?

barrym95838
EO144107
“Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
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Did you know the BAR 97 test was qualified using only around 10 different vehicles around 1994? I gotta find that PDF...